Question: design microarrays limma
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14 months ago by
roser.navarro0 wrote:

Dear all,

We are using limma to perform differential expression analysis among 3 different groups.

The problem (or not) is that the design is unbalanced. The sample size per group is very different (7, 9 and 39 samples). So, we decided to do a random selection from the big group to balance the design and to avoid different variances (assume homoscedasticity).

We don't know if it is better to balance the design or not (in terms of statistical power). 

Thanks in advance :-)

ADD COMMENTlink modified 14 months ago by Aaron Lun21k • written 14 months ago by roser.navarro0
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14 months ago by
Aaron Lun21k
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Aaron Lun21k wrote:

There is no reason to subset your big group. It won't help with avoiding differences in the variances; if the largest group has a larger/smaller variance, that will still be the case in any random subset of samples. You could argue that subsetting ensures that the overall variance estimate will not be dominated by the largest group, but this has no obvious benefits for type I error control when the equal-variance assumption is already violated. The only predictable effect is to artificially reduce the precision of your parameter estimates for the largest group, and for the overall variance, which will reduce your detection power.

ADD COMMENTlink written 14 months ago by Aaron Lun21k

Thanks a lot for your help!

One more question... If I test the equal-variance hypothesis and we accept that they are equal, is my assumption, related to subsetting, right to avoid domination by the largest group? 

We have to compare the variance within each group (considering all the genes), haven't we? 

ADD REPLYlink written 14 months ago by roser.navarro0

If you accept that the variances are equal across groups, it doesn't matter which group dominates (i.e., contributes more residual d.f.) as all groups will be contributing to the estimation of the common variance. So subsetting is unnecessary.

Also, I don't understand what you mean by comparing the variance within each group. You could compute an estimate of the variance for each group, but limma doesn't do that, and it doesn't compare the variance between groups either.

Check out Gordon's comments on the matter of unequal variances : A: Correct assumptions of using limma moderated t-test

ADD REPLYlink modified 14 months ago • written 14 months ago by Aaron Lun21k

Aaron is right -- balance in the experimental design and homoscedasticity are different things. Throwing away data will just reduce statistical power for no reason.

limma is quite capable of figuring out what the sample sizes are in each group and properly accounting for them. You don't have to supervise limma by artificially balancing up the design yourself.

In short, the unequal group sizes are not a problem.

ADD REPLYlink modified 14 months ago • written 14 months ago by Gordon Smyth35k
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