Two controls in RNAseq formula for DESeq2

Question: Two controls in RNAseq formula for DESeq2

4 months ago by

taveluz • 0

USA

taveluz • 0 wrote:

Hello,

I have 5 treatments with 3 biological replicates and 2 technical replicates for each one. My design looks like:

DMEM (Basal condition)
Vehicle (Basal condition + vehicles used for treatments 3-5)
Drug
Insult
drug_insult

After collapsing the technical reps my sampleTable looks like:

    condition   Replicates  sex
    Drug    1   male
    DMEM    1   male
    drug_insult 1   male
    Insult  1   male
    vehiculo    1   male
    Drug    2   female
    DMEM    2   female
    drug_insult 2   female
    Insult  2   female
    vehiculo    2   female
    Drug    3   female
    DMEM    3   female
    drug_insult 3   female
    Insult  3   female
    vehiculo    3   female

DMEM is the control only for Drug and Vehiculo is the control for treatments 3-5. My question is: how to account for these two controls in the formula for DESeq?

I normally would run

x <- DESeqDataSetFromTximport(tximport_object, sampleTable, ~ sex + condition + sex:condition)
x$condition <- relevel(x$condition, "vehiculo")
dds <- DESeq(x)

And then extract the contrast of interest using results(). For instance, if I want to compare Drug vs DMEM I would run:

res <- results(dds, contrast = c("condition", "drug", "DMEM"))

However, the control for that contrast, as specified with the relevel() call is actually Vehiculo. So, I presume this might be giving me different genes that it would otherwise give me if I had specified DMEM as the control for that contrast with:

x <- DESeqDataSetFromTximport(tximport_object, sampleTable, ~ sex + condition + sex:condition)
x$condition <- relevel(x$condition, "DMEM")
dds <- DESeq(x)

I have also checked other threads (1, 2), from which the closest one is 2, however, it is still not clear for me how could I encode the two controls in my formula. So any help will be appreciated,

Best,

Tain.

> sessionInfo()
R version 3.6.1 (2019-07-05)
Platform: x86_64-apple-darwin15.6.0 (64-bit)
Running under: macOS Mojave 10.14.6

Matrix products: default
BLAS:   /System/Library/Frameworks/Accelerate.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/vecLib.framework/Versions/A/libBLAS.dylib
LAPACK: /Library/Frameworks/R.framework/Versions/3.6/Resources/lib/libRlapack.dylib

>packageVersion("DESeq2")
 [1] ‘1.24.0’

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modified 4 months ago by Michael Love ♦ 26k • written 4 months ago by taveluz • 0

Answer: Two controls in RNAseq formula for DESeq2

4 months ago by

swbarnes2 • 340

swbarnes2 • 340 wrote:

Use contrasts to specify what condition should be compared to what. Running DESeq without specifying the contrasts is dangerous, you might not be doing the contrast you think you are. Especially with that design; I'm pretty sure you are not doing the contrast you intend.

ADD COMMENT • link written 4 months ago by swbarnes2 • 340

Hello @swbarnes2,

I am already using the results() method to extract the contrast of interest, however, my concern is that I might be comparing, for instance, Drug vs DMEM using as control Vehicle (as this was the first level I specified in the formula) when in reality it must be Tibolone vs DMEM (using DMEM as the first level in the formula). The concern traces back to the vignette:

In order to benefit from the default settings of the package, you should put the variable of interest at the end of the formula and make sure the control level is the first level.

Though I have 2 controls.

Best,

Tain.

ADD REPLY • link written 4 months ago by taveluz • 0

Sorry, I misspoke in my answer. But your question is incomplete without saying exactly what comparison you are asking for in results, because the default is going to be to give you the genes which respond differently to treatment between sex, and it's not at all clear to me that that's what you really want.

ADD REPLY • link modified 4 months ago • written 4 months ago by swbarnes2 • 340

Thank you for your suggestion. I have updated the question to state my problem more clearly.

ADD REPLY • link written 4 months ago by taveluz • 0

Okay, so you observed this:

The key point to remember about designs with interaction terms is that, unlike for a design ~genotype + condition, where the condition effect represents the overall effect controlling for differences due to genotype, by adding genotype:condition, the main condition effect only represents the effect of condition for the reference level of genotype

So you know that your setup is only looking at the difference between Drug and DMEM in the reference sex?

ADD REPLY • link written 4 months ago by swbarnes2 • 340

Yes, I noted that. I have no problem extracting the sex-specific differences using the ~group design but instead trying to extract the general (i.e. no sex-specific) results for Drug vs DMEM.

I think that what I am going to do is: 1. change my design to ~ sex + condition set Vehiculo as control, 2. extract all comparisons except the Drug vs DMEM, 3. set DMEM as control and extract the Drug vs DMEM, 4. finally, extract the sex-specific differences by using the design ~group.

Would you advise such approach?

Thank you for your answers.

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Answer: Two controls in RNAseq formula for DESeq2

4 months ago by

Michael Love ♦ 26k

United States

Michael Love ♦ 26k wrote:

I'd recommend collaborating with a local statistician here. There is more to discuss beyond how to specify the design in R, that is, what it means to have some samples be controls for other samples, what the biological question of interest is here, and the role of the interaction term with sex. I can provide assistance on the support site around the DESeq2 software, but don't have sufficient time to help with statistical analysis unfortunately.

ADD COMMENT • link written 4 months ago by Michael Love ♦ 26k

Hello Michael,

Thank you very much for your response. I will look further advise on this as I agree this is not a trivial design.

Bests,

Tain.

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