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Dear Belisa,
Your experiment has 17 different conditions, so you obviously cannot
analyse it as a 2x2 experiment. (A 2x2 experiment has only 4
conditions
in total.)
The simplest way to analyse your experiment is to create a single
factor
with 25 levels, and to analyse your data as in Section 8.3 in the
limma
User's Guide. This allows you to test any hypothesis you like,
including
testing for interactions.
If you have lots of contrasts, but you don't tell topTable() which
contrast you want to test for, then topTable() will test whether *any*
of
the contrasts are different from zero. This is analogous to an F-test
where the numerator degrees of freedomm are the number of contrasts.
The
help page for topTable() says:
"topTableF ranks genes on the basis of moderated F-statistics for one
or
more coefficients. If topTable is called with coef that has length
greater
than 1, then the specified columns will be extracted from fit and
topTableF called on the result. topTable with coef=NULL is the same as
topTableF, unless the fitted model fit has only one column."
You might find it very help to collaborate with a statistical
bioinformatician at your own institute, if one is available.
Best wishes
Gordon
> Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2012 06:06:22 -0800 (PST)
> From: "Belisa Santos [guest]" <guest at="" bioconductor.org="">
> To: bioconductor at r-project.org, belisa.santos.duarte at gmail.com
> Subject: [BioC] Help interpreting many contrasts in one contrast
> matrix versus many individual contrast matrices
>
>
> Hello everybody,
>
> I am having a hard time interpreting in a meaningful way the
output
> from a contrast matrix with many contrasts versus a smal contrast
matrix
> with few contrasts and how they compare to each other.
>
> # Description of my dataset:
>
> Control: No treatment and time zero (total 6 replicates)
> Treatment A: time1, time2, time3 and time4 (3 replicates each, total
12)
> Treatment AB: time1, time2, time3 and time4 (3 replicates each,
total 12)
> Treatment AC: time1, time2, time3 and time4 (3 replicates each,
total 12)
> Treatment ABC: time1, time2, time3 and time4 (3 replicates each,
total 12)
>
> Total of 54 microarrays, where A, B and C are different compounds
used
> for the growth media of the cells.
>
> - I do not have ONE unique research question. I want to see the
effect
> of time, the effect of treatment and the effect of the interaction
> time-treatment. Also, I have one very specific question which is:
What
> is the effect of the interaction BC? (Not interested in the effect
of
> time for this one...)
>
> # My approach:
> - I made a design matrix using Control as intercept (so first
column
> (control) filled with 1s)
> - Then made 3 BIG contrast matrices: one for the treatment factor
> (i.e. all combinations of contrasts between same time different
> treatment ), one for the time factor (i.e. all combinations of same
> treatment different time) and one for the interaction treatment-time
> (all combinations treatment-time). (Still have to come up with a
clever
> way to find the effect of the interaction BC...)
>
> # My doubts are:
>
> 1) Can I describe my experiment as a 2x2 factorial design (2
factors:
> time and treatment)? (I ask this because I also have that extra
control
> I used as intercept...)
>
> 2) Am I correct to interpret that given that I have used the
control
> as intercept in the design matrix, all subsequent contrasts will
have
> the effect of control "subtracted"?
> 2.1) Is this a correct approach for my case? (Is this
conceptually
> correct? Is it done frequently? Is it the most elegant way to do it,
or
> are there "better" alternatives?)
>
> 3) Finally I am having problems interpreting the outcome of my
> contrasts from the matrices with many contrasts. For example for my
> contrast matrix for the treatment factor (there are 24 individual
> contrasts), when I ask for a topTable (without specifying any
particular
> coefficient), what is exactly the meaning of that list? Are those
the
> union of all the genes that are differently expressed in all
contrasts
> and then ordered? Or is there any other testing done that makes this
DEG
> list more meaningful than just doing individual contrasts, uniting
the
> sets and ordering them... I feel these cannot be the same... but do
not
> know... and I need help to interpret it correctly.
>
> I would really appreciate some help with these doubts. I have read
the
> documentation several times now, but my experimental design is not
fully
> covered by any example... and i would like to be sure that i am
> analyzing my data correctly.
>
> Thank you in advance for your attention and patience. Kind regards,
>
> Belisa
>
> -- output of sessionInfo():
>
>> sessionInfo()
> R version 2.15.0 (2012-03-30)
> Platform: x86_64-apple-darwin9.8.0/x86_64 (64-bit)
>
> locale:
> [1] C/en_US.UTF-8/C/C/C/C
>
> attached base packages:
> [1] stats graphics grDevices utils datasets methods base
>
> other attached packages:
> [1] limma_3.14.1 annotate_1.36.0
hgu133plus2cdf_2.11.0 hgu133plus2.db_2.8.0
> [5] org.Hs.eg.db_2.8.0 RSQLite_0.11.2 DBI_0.2-5
AnnotationDbi_1.20.2
> [9] affy_1.36.0 Biobase_2.18.0 BiocGenerics_0.4.0
>
> loaded via a namespace (and not attached):
> [1] BiocInstaller_1.8.3 IRanges_1.16.4 XML_3.95-0.1
affyio_1.26.0
> [5] parallel_2.15.0 preprocessCore_1.20.0 stats4_2.15.0
tools_2.15.0
> [9] xtable_1.7-0 zlibbioc_1.4.0
>
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