why S-Score is not poppular like T-test pvalue and BH FDR , which is OK to use?
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Dear BioC, Have any one used S-Score algorithm in order to analyze microarray data and extracted diff. expressed genes ? Or is it useful to use use...RMA -> do t-test get p-valule -> and do FDR (BH) --> extract diff. expressed genes? why S-score is not in much of use? like T-test pvalue and BH FDR..which is OK to use? Thank you so much in advance, S
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@adaikalavan-ramasamy-675
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What is S-Score ? Perhaps availability and familiarity could contribute to its lack of popularity. Google's only relevant hit is to the article and the 5th. Besides given the competition of many of algorithms available/modified for microarray, I am not surprised that S-score is not well known. Why do you think S-score should be more popular ? My personal preference for preprocessing is either RMA or GCRMA. My personal preference for data analysis is LIMMA. Regards, Adai On Tue, 2005-11-29 at 07:51 -0800, Saurin Jani wrote: > Dear BioC, > > Have any one used S-Score algorithm in order to > analyze microarray data and extracted diff. expressed > genes ? Or is it useful to use use...RMA -> do t-test > get p-valule -> and do FDR (BH) --> extract diff. > expressed genes? > > why S-score is not in much of use? like T-test pvalue > and BH FDR..which is OK to use? > > Thank you so much in advance, > S > > _______________________________________________ > Bioconductor mailing list > Bioconductor at stat.math.ethz.ch > https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/bioconductor >
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@richard-kennedy-1522
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Saurin, The S-Score is an algorithm for analyzing microarray data, originally developed in Michael Miles' laboratory at UCSF (by Li Zhang, currently at MD Anderson Cancer Center). Dr. Miles has since relocated to our institution, and we are working as a group on the S-Score. As Adaikalavan notes, the S-Score has not been heavily publicized, which may account in part for the lack of widespread use. However, since the release of Dr. Miles' Journal of Neuroscience paper (Kerns et al, J Neurosci 2005, 25(9):2255-2266), we have been seeing increasing interest. The S-Score does have some rather interesting features, with the main one being that it performs tests of hypotheses directly from the probe level data. The usual steps in analysis require that a probe set summary measure be generated, and statistical tests are performed on the summaries. Under conditions of no differential expression, the S-Scores follow a standard normal distribution; this means that hypothesis testing can be done directly with the S-Scores, without an intermediate expression summary measure. There are, of course, some limitations with the S-Score as well. The software had previously been available only as a compiled stand-alone program for Windows (at http:www.brainchip.vcu.edu/expressionda.html) so it took a few steps to combine it with an environment such as R. However, we have been working on an R implementation which, as Seth noted, should be posted in the near future. This initial release is just a straight port of the Windows version to R; it does not add any new features, but does make it easier to interface with the other Bioconductor packages. Another principal limitation of the S-Score is that the software performs comparisons two chips at a time. We are now working on a multivariate version for direct multi-chip comparisons, but have not set a definite timeframe for its release. The main reference for the S-Score is Zhang et al, J Mol Biol 2002, 317:225-235 that describes some of the original development; Dr. Miles has also used the S-Score in several peer-reviewed publications. We are in the process of submitting an article on additional validation studies of the S-Score (which did rather well compared to other methods) and an applications note for the R implementation. Hope this has been helpful - we are definitely interested in making the S-Score more widely available. Richard Kennedy Kellie J. Archer Department of Biostatistics Virginia Commonwealth University Saurin Jani wrote: >Dear BioC, > >Have any one used S-Score algorithm in order to >analyze microarray data and extracted diff. expressed >genes ? Or is it useful to use use...RMA -> do t-test >get p-valule -> and do FDR (BH) --> extract diff. >expressed genes? > >why S-score is not in much of use? like T-test pvalue >and BH FDR..which is OK to use? > >Thank you so much in advance, >S > >_______________________________________________ >Bioconductor mailing list >Bioconductor at stat.math.ethz.ch >https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/bioconductor >
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Hi Richard, Thank you so much for the helpful information. S-Score seems like very useful algorithm for microarray analysis currently. I suppose, it will be very useful when multivariate version comes out. Thank you again for your help and time, S --- Richard Kennedy <rkennedy at="" vcu.edu=""> wrote: > Saurin, > The S-Score is an algorithm for analyzing microarray > data, originally > developed in Michael Miles' laboratory at UCSF (by > Li Zhang, currently > at MD Anderson Cancer Center). Dr. Miles has since > relocated to our > institution, and we are working as a group on the > S-Score. > > As Adaikalavan notes, the S-Score has not been > heavily publicized, which > may account in part for the lack of widespread use. > However, since the > release of Dr. Miles' Journal of Neuroscience paper > (Kerns et al, J > Neurosci 2005, 25(9):2255-2266), we have been seeing > increasing > interest. The S-Score does have some rather > interesting features, with > the main one being that it performs tests of > hypotheses directly from > the probe level data. The usual steps in analysis > require that a probe > set summary measure be generated, and statistical > tests are performed on > the summaries. Under conditions of no differential > expression, the > S-Scores follow a standard normal distribution; this > means that > hypothesis testing can be done directly with the > S-Scores, without an > intermediate expression summary measure. > > There are, of course, some limitations with the > S-Score as well. The > software had previously been available only as a > compiled stand-alone > program for Windows (at > http:www.brainchip.vcu.edu/expressionda.html) so > it took a few steps to combine it with an > environment such as R. > However, we have been working on an R implementation > which, as Seth > noted, should be posted in the near future. This > initial release is > just a straight port of the Windows version to R; it > does not add any > new features, but does make it easier to interface > with the other > Bioconductor packages. Another principal limitation > of the S-Score is > that the software performs comparisons two chips at > a time. We are now > working on a multivariate version for direct > multi-chip comparisons, but > have not set a definite timeframe for its release. > > The main reference for the S-Score is Zhang et al, J > Mol Biol 2002, > 317:225-235 that describes some of the original > development; Dr. Miles > has also used the S-Score in several peer-reviewed > publications. We are > in the process of submitting an article on > additional validation studies > of the S-Score (which did rather well compared to > other methods) and an > applications note for the R implementation. > > Hope this has been helpful - we are definitely > interested in making the > S-Score more widely available. > > Richard Kennedy > Kellie J. Archer > Department of Biostatistics > Virginia Commonwealth University > > > > Saurin Jani wrote: > > >Dear BioC, > > > >Have any one used S-Score algorithm in order to > >analyze microarray data and extracted diff. > expressed > >genes ? Or is it useful to use use...RMA -> do > t-test > >get p-valule -> and do FDR (BH) --> extract diff. > >expressed genes? > > > >why S-score is not in much of use? like T-test > pvalue > >and BH FDR..which is OK to use? > > > >Thank you so much in advance, > >S > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Bioconductor mailing list > >Bioconductor at stat.math.ethz.ch > >https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/bioconductor > > >
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