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Cecilia McGregor
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I'm planning a time course experiment and was told that with the
design I plan I would not be able to use limma for analysis and need
to use MANOVA. I want to know whether this is true and whether there
is a different experimental design I can use that would make it
possible for me to use limma. (Simply 'cause I've used limma before ,
but never used MANOVA). Any other comments about the experiment and
experimental design is also welcome.
Here follows a somewhat lenthy description of the experiment.
The treatments are:
(1) uninfected plants
(2) plants infected with SPFMV-RC (a strain that leads to SPVD in dual
infections) alone,
(3) SPFMV-C (a strain that does not cause SPVD in dual infections)
alone,
(4) plants infected with SPCSV alone,
(5) plants infected with SPFMV-RC and SPCSV together (SPVD),
(6) plants infected with SPFMV-C and SPCSV together (No SPVD).
We are trying to figure out what it is that happens to the plants
defense system that allows for the severe disease in the dual
infection (SPFMV-RC and SPCSV).
But we are also interested in the development of the disease over
time.
We therefore interested in both comparisons of treatment groups within
each time point and comparison of time points in each group.
The 5 time points will be: 2 days after infections (DAI), 5 DAI, 10
DAI, 15 DAI, 20 DAI).
We are collecting from the same individuals (plants) for all
timepoints. So if I say we have 3 biological replications per
treatment, it means that on Day 0, I inoculate 3 plants for each
treatment, and these 3 plants are used for all samples throughout the
time of the experiment. But when I sample I take whole leaves, so that
means that I have to take different leaves every time I samples. So,
same plants for all timepoints, but different leaves.
In the greenhouse the plants are in a completely randomized design.
Recap of information I gave in previous e-mail
> - I have 6 treatments (including the untreated),
> - 3 biological replicates per treatment per timepoint
> - 5 timepoints
> - The problem is that we have only 60 arrays! The original
experiment was planned with 120 arrays, but the price from the
supplier doubled from a year ago when we did our other experiments.
> - These are two color cDNA arrays.
The experimental design that I plan to use:
(1) Loops comparing DAI within each treatment: For each treatment,
choose a single biological replication and connect its mRNA samples
from different DAI using a loop. Note that each mRNA sample goes in
two slides (with alternating labeling). Each loop will use 5 slides,
and you?ll have 6 of those loops with a total of 30 slides comparing
DAIs.
(2) Loops comparing treatments within each time point: For each time
point (DAI), choose two biological replications from each treatment
and connect the mRNA samples following the structure given below. This
is also a loop, but not a ?connected loop? as above. This kind of loop
favors biological replication over technical replication. Here, note
that each mRNA sample goes in one slide only, but there is still
balance in labeling across treatments. There will be 5 loops of 6
slides each, with a total of 30 slides for comparing treatments.
Can this type of design be analyzed with limma? I was told that I
would have to use MANOVA. Is there a more appropriate design for this
experiment, or a different appropriate design that could be analyzed
with limma?
Any help would be very much appreciated.
Cecilia McGregor
Post-Doc
Sweetpotato Breeding and Genetics Lab
JC Miller Hall room 236
Louisiana State University
Baton Rouge
LA, 70803
USA
Phone: (225) 578 2173
