two color array vs. one color array
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Leon Yee ▴ 110
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Hi all, The question is not related to some specific bioconductor package, but it is a question about array data analysis: Could a two-color- array be used as two one-color-array? For example, I have 2 two-color-arrays, one is sample1/sample2, the other is sample3/sample4. Could I treat them as 4 one-color-arrays with sample1,2,3,4? If yes, what is the performance difference? Thanks. Regards, Leon
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Naomi Altman ★ 6.0k
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Yes. Performance difference relative to what? Reference design? Loop design? Affy array? --Naomi At 06:17 AM 12/16/2008, Leon Yee wrote: >Hi all, > > The question is not related to some specific bioconductor package, >but it is a question about array data analysis: Could a two-color- array >be used as two one-color-array? > For example, I have 2 two-color-arrays, one is sample1/sample2, the >other is sample3/sample4. Could I treat them as 4 one-color-arrays with >sample1,2,3,4? If yes, what is the performance difference? > Thanks. > >Regards, >Leon > >_______________________________________________ >Bioconductor mailing list >Bioconductor at stat.math.ethz.ch >https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/bioconductor >Search the archives: >http://news.gmane.org/gmane.science.biology.informatics.conductor Naomi S. Altman 814-865-3791 (voice) Associate Professor Dept. of Statistics 814-863-7114 (fax) Penn State University 814-865-1348 (Statistics) University Park, PA 16802-2111
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> Dear Leon, People generally use what is most cost effective for the application. Some 1-color systems are more accurate than some 2 color systems. And some 1-color systems are cheaper per sample, processed. Some investigators are interested in particular genes which may be printed on some commercial arrays but not others. (Most "whole genome" arrays do not cover the whole genome.) Experimental design is more picky for 2 color arrays because the within array variance is usually smaller than the between array variance... If you are using commercial arrays, you also need to consider the bioinformatics tools available. --Naomi >Hi Naomi, > >Naomi Altman wrote: >>Yes. Performance difference relative to what? Reference design? >>Loop design? Affy array? >>--Naomi > >Thanks for your answer. I am new to array analysis, and don't have a >clear concept of performance. Suppose I have 2 samples to be >compared, should I choose one 2-color array or 2 one-color arrays? >Which one is better? If the results are similar, one 2-color array >will be more cost-effective. > >Besides, if a two-color array can be used as 2 one-color arrays, why >do people still use one-color array widely? Maybe my question is very naive . > >Thanks again. > >Regards, >Leon > > > >>At 06:17 AM 12/16/2008, Leon Yee wrote: >>>Hi all, >>> >>> The question is not related to some specific bioconductor package, >>>but it is a question about array data analysis: Could a two-color- array >>>be used as two one-color-array? >>> For example, I have 2 two-color-arrays, one is sample1/sample2, the >>>other is sample3/sample4. Could I treat them as 4 one-color-arrays with >>>sample1,2,3,4? If yes, what is the performance difference? >>> Thanks. >>> >>>Regards, >>>Leon > > Naomi S. Altman 814-865-3791 (voice) Associate Professor Dept. of Statistics 814-863-7114 (fax) Penn State University 814-865-1348 (Statistics) University Park, PA 16802-2111
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Hi Naomi, > People generally use what is most cost effective for the application. > Some 1-color systems are more accurate than some 2 color systems. And > some 1-color systems are cheaper per sample, processed. Some > investigators are interested in particular genes which may be printed on > some commercial arrays but not others. (Most "whole genome" arrays do > not cover the whole genome.) Experimental design is more picky for 2 > color arrays because the within array variance is usually smaller than > the between array variance... If you are using commercial arrays, you > also need to consider the bioinformatics tools available. Thank you very much! I'm now much more clear about this. Best Regards, Leon
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Hi, On Dec 17, 2008, at 8:18 AM, Leon Yee wrote: > Hi Naomi, > >> People generally use what is most cost effective for the >> application. Some 1-color systems are more accurate than some 2 >> color systems. And some 1-color systems are cheaper per sample, >> processed. Some investigators are interested in particular genes >> which may be printed on some commercial arrays but not others. >> (Most "whole genome" arrays do not cover the whole genome.) >> Experimental design is more picky for 2 color arrays because the >> within array variance is usually smaller than the between array >> variance... If you are using commercial arrays, you also need to >> consider the bioinformatics tools available. > > Thank you very much! I'm now much more clear about this. These papers might be useful for you regarding the use of different microarrays: The MicroArray Quality Control (MAQC) project shows inter- and intraplatform reproducibility of gene expression measurements http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16964229 The "Related Articles" listed at this page have some interesting looking follow up papers, for instance: Performance comparison of one-color and two-color platforms within the MicroArray Quality Control (MAQC) project. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16964228 Also, a recent paper Genome Research addresses array platform issues that are specific to their use in ChIP-chip experiments: Systematic evaluation of variability in ChIP-chip experiments using predefined DNA targets http://genome.cshlp.org/content/18/3/393 Hope that helps, -steve -- Steve Lianoglou Graduate Student: Physiology, Biophysics and Systems Biology Weill Medical College of Cornell University http://cbio.mskcc.org/~lianos
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