Non linear intensities
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Hello, I have a naive question. In my experiment i have computed different standard curves for different genes. I have noticed that my data is not following a linear pattern (sorry i'm not statistician so don't know if this is the word). For e.g GENES [1?g] [2?g] [5?g] [10?g] gene A 500 800 1800 3500 gene B 450 650 1700 3400 gene C 200 300 600 1300 As you can see the intensities are not as I would expect (there is no linear intensity based on the concentration); Since my data shows that there is a bias i would like to correct the data and adjust according. For instance, i think there might be a coeffecient, which based on the intensitiy would help to correct the intenstities. At the end if for a gene X i find an intensity of 500 i could assume that it should higher than that to have a 2 fold change and that it should probably be somewhere around 1000. Thanks for your help ?? thanks for your help.
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This is well known and is (one of) the reason(s) for the difficulty with analyzing microarrays. Note that if you compute fold change, it looks a lot better which is why we use fold change. Also note that normalization (hopefully) will help you a bit. But in the end there will be genes where the fold change is not great either (like 'C" in your example), and you will need to learn how to live with it. There are no great way to correct for it, since the correction typically depends on the probe used to measure the signal. If you had the money and ability to generate a sample in which _all_ genes are expressed and you then do a dilution experiment you might be able to estimate this. There are attempts at correcting for this computationally, but they are typically not very impressive. For more details, see the 100s of papers on microarray analysis and probe effects. Kasper On Jul 23, 2009, at 8:25 , David martin wrote: > Hello, > I have a naive question. In my experiment i have computed different > standard curves for different genes. > I have noticed that my data is not following a linear pattern (sorry > i'm not statistician so don't know if this is the word). > For e.g > GENES [1?g] [2?g] [5?g] [10?g] > gene A 500 800 1800 3500 > gene B 450 650 1700 3400 > gene C 200 300 600 1300 > > As you can see the intensities are not as I would expect (there is > no linear intensity based on the concentration); Since my data shows > that there is a bias i would like to correct the data and adjust > according. > For instance, i think there might be a coeffecient, which based on > the intensitiy would help to correct the intenstities. At the end if > for a gene X i find an intensity of 500 i could assume that it > should higher than that to have a 2 fold change and that it should > probably be somewhere around 1000. > > Thanks for your help ?? > > thanks for your help. > > _______________________________________________ > Bioconductor mailing list > Bioconductor at stat.math.ethz.ch > https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/bioconductor > Search the archives: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.science.biology.informatics.conductor
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Ok thanks, Kasper Daniel Hansen wrote: > This is well known and is (one of) the reason(s) for the difficulty with > analyzing microarrays. Note that if you compute fold change, it looks a > lot better which is why we use fold change. Also note that > normalization (hopefully) will help you a bit. > > But in the end there will be genes where the fold change is not great > either (like 'C" in your example), and you will need to learn how to > live with it. > > There are no great way to correct for it, since the correction typically > depends on the probe used to measure the signal. If you had the money > and ability to generate a sample in which _all_ genes are expressed and > you then do a dilution experiment you might be able to estimate this. > There are attempts at correcting for this computationally, but they are > typically not very impressive. > > For more details, see the 100s of papers on microarray analysis and > probe effects. > > Kasper > > On Jul 23, 2009, at 8:25 , David martin wrote: > >> Hello, >> I have a naive question. In my experiment i have computed different >> standard curves for different genes. >> I have noticed that my data is not following a linear pattern (sorry >> i'm not statistician so don't know if this is the word). >> For e.g >> GENES [1?g] [2?g] [5?g] [10?g] >> gene A 500 800 1800 3500 >> gene B 450 650 1700 3400 >> gene C 200 300 600 1300 >> >> As you can see the intensities are not as I would expect (there is no >> linear intensity based on the concentration); Since my data shows that >> there is a bias i would like to correct the data and adjust according. >> For instance, i think there might be a coeffecient, which based on the >> intensitiy would help to correct the intenstities. At the end if for a >> gene X i find an intensity of 500 i could assume that it should higher >> than that to have a 2 fold change and that it should probably be >> somewhere around 1000. >> >> Thanks for your help ?? >> >> thanks for your help. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Bioconductor mailing list >> Bioconductor at stat.math.ethz.ch >> https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/bioconductor >> Search the archives: >> http://news.gmane.org/gmane.science.biology.informatics.conductor > > _______________________________________________ > Bioconductor mailing list > Bioconductor at stat.math.ethz.ch > https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/bioconductor > Search the archives: > http://news.gmane.org/gmane.science.biology.informatics.conductor >
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