Obtain MAS5.0 Signal using affy
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Kenny Ye ▴ 100
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has anyone wrote a function for the MAS5.0 signal measure in affy? I am processing DAT files of some customized chips, and couldn't find the CIF file that MAS requires. As the CDF file is available, I am able to process DAT files and obtain CEL files using dChip, then import everything to affy. Interesting how dChip does it without the CIF file but MAS insists on it. I looked at Hubbell's powerpoint file on Terry's website, but the equations given there are quite confusing. It shouldn't be difficult to write the function as long as the formulae are set straight. following is my best guess Signal = Average of Tukey_Biweight(log(PM-CT)) if MM < PM, CT=MM if MM > PM, CT=PM/exp(proportion) proportion = Average of Tukey_Biweight(log(PM/MM)) (over all pairs on the chip or just the set?). proportion is set to be 0 if the average is negative. However, one still need to decide the support of the Tukey_Biweight function. Maybe that doesn't matter much. Or simply take the median. I don't understand why affymetrix doesn't want to disclose their algorithm completely. Thanks in advance for your suggestions. Kenny Kenny Ye Assistant Professor Department of Applied Math and Statistics SUNY at Stony Brook Stony Brook, New York 11794-3600 Phone (631)632-9344 Fax (631)632-8490
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we have plans to do this but not to high in the to-do list. obviously contributions are welcome. rafael On Wed, 16 Oct 2002, Kenny Ye wrote: > > has anyone wrote a function for the MAS5.0 signal measure in affy? I am > processing DAT files of some customized chips, and couldn't find the CIF > file that MAS requires. As the CDF file is available, I am able to process > DAT files and obtain CEL files using dChip, then import everything to > affy. Interesting how dChip does it without the CIF file but MAS insists > on it. > > I looked at Hubbell's powerpoint file on Terry's website, but the > equations given there are quite confusing. It shouldn't be difficult to > write the function as long as the formulae are set straight. following is > my best guess > > Signal = Average of Tukey_Biweight(log(PM-CT)) > > if MM < PM, CT=MM > if MM > PM, CT=PM/exp(proportion) > > proportion = Average of Tukey_Biweight(log(PM/MM)) (over all pairs > on the chip or just the set?). proportion is set to be 0 if the > average is negative. > > However, one still need to decide the support of the Tukey_Biweight > function. Maybe that doesn't matter much. Or simply take the > median. I don't understand why affymetrix doesn't want to disclose > their algorithm completely. > > Thanks in advance for your suggestions. > > Kenny > > > > > Kenny Ye > Assistant Professor > Department of Applied Math and Statistics > SUNY at Stony Brook > Stony Brook, New York 11794-3600 > Phone (631)632-9344 > Fax (631)632-8490 > > _______________________________________________ > Bioconductor mailing list > Bioconductor@stat.math.ethz.ch > http://www.stat.math.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/bioconductor >
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Isaac Neuhaus ▴ 360
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Kenny: A full description of the algorithm has been released by Affymetrix. I have a perl version of MAS 5.0 and I will make it available as soon as Affymetrix agrees to it. Regards, Isaac Ye wrote: > has anyone wrote a function for the MAS5.0 signal measure in affy? I am > processing DAT files of some customized chips, and couldn't find the CIF > file that MAS requires. As the CDF file is available, I am able to process > DAT files and obtain CEL files using dChip, then import everything to > affy. Interesting how dChip does it without the CIF file but MAS insists > on it. > > I looked at Hubbell's powerpoint file on Terry's website, but the > equations given there are quite confusing. It shouldn't be difficult to > write the function as long as the formulae are set straight. following is > my best guess > > Signal = Average of Tukey_Biweight(log(PM-CT)) > > if MM < PM, CT=MM > if MM > PM, CT=PM/exp(proportion) > > proportion = Average of Tukey_Biweight(log(PM/MM)) (over all pairs > on the chip or just the set?). proportion is set to be 0 if the > average is negative. > > However, one still need to decide the support of the Tukey_Biweight > function. Maybe that doesn't matter much. Or simply take the > median. I don't understand why affymetrix doesn't want to disclose > their algorithm completely. > > Thanks in advance for your suggestions. > > Kenny > > Kenny Ye > Assistant Professor > Department of Applied Math and Statistics > SUNY at Stony Brook > Stony Brook, New York 11794-3600 > Phone (631)632-9344 > Fax (631)632-8490 > > _______________________________________________ > Bioconductor mailing list > Bioconductor@stat.math.ethz.ch > http://www.stat.math.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/bioconductor
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You can find a full description of MAS5.0 (or at least the most complete I have seen) at http://www.affymetrix.com/support/technical/whitepapers/sadd_whitepape r.pdf Ben > Kenny: > > A full description of the algorithm has been released by Affymetrix. I have > a perl version of MAS 5.0 and I will make it available as soon as Affymetrix > agrees to it. > > Regards, > > Isaac > > Ye wrote: > > > has anyone wrote a function for the MAS5.0 signal measure in affy? I am > > processing DAT files of some customized chips, and couldn't find the CIF > > file that MAS requires. As the CDF file is available, I am able to process > > DAT files and obtain CEL files using dChip, then import everything to > > affy. Interesting how dChip does it without the CIF file but MAS insists > > on it. > > > > I looked at Hubbell's powerpoint file on Terry's website, but the > > equations given there are quite confusing. It shouldn't be difficult to > > write the function as long as the formulae are set straight. following is > > my best guess > > > > Signal = Average of Tukey_Biweight(log(PM-CT)) > > > > if MM < PM, CT=MM > > if MM > PM, CT=PM/exp(proportion) > > > > proportion = Average of Tukey_Biweight(log(PM/MM)) (over all pairs > > on the chip or just the set?). proportion is set to be 0 if the > > average is negative. > > > > However, one still need to decide the support of the Tukey_Biweight > > function. Maybe that doesn't matter much. Or simply take the > > median. I don't understand why affymetrix doesn't want to disclose > > their algorithm completely. > > > > Thanks in advance for your suggestions. > > > > Kenny > > > > Kenny Ye > > Assistant Professor > > Department of Applied Math and Statistics > > SUNY at Stony Brook > > Stony Brook, New York 11794-3600 > > Phone (631)632-9344 > > Fax (631)632-8490 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Bioconductor mailing list > > Bioconductor@stat.math.ethz.ch > > http://www.stat.math.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/bioconductor > > _______________________________________________ > Bioconductor mailing list > Bioconductor@stat.math.ethz.ch > http://www.stat.math.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/bioconductor
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Ben and Julien, thanks for pointing me to this document. glad that they removed it from ``confidential''. Kenny Kenny Ye Assistant Professor Department of Applied Math and Statistics SUNY at Stony Brook Stony Brook, New York 11794-3600 Phone (631)632-9344 Fax (631)632-8490 On 16 Oct 2002, Ben Bolstad wrote: > You can find a full description of MAS5.0 (or at least the most complete > I have seen) at > > http://www.affymetrix.com/support/technical/whitepapers/sadd_whitepa per.pdf > > Ben > > > > Kenny: > > > > A full description of the algorithm has been released by Affymetrix. I have > > a perl version of MAS 5.0 and I will make it available as soon as Affymetrix > > agrees to it. > > > > Regards, > > > > Isaac > > > > Ye wrote: > > > > > has anyone wrote a function for the MAS5.0 signal measure in affy? I am > > > processing DAT files of some customized chips, and couldn't find the CIF > > > file that MAS requires. As the CDF file is available, I am able to process > > > DAT files and obtain CEL files using dChip, then import everything to > > > affy. Interesting how dChip does it without the CIF file but MAS insists > > > on it. > > > > > > I looked at Hubbell's powerpoint file on Terry's website, but the > > > equations given there are quite confusing. It shouldn't be difficult to > > > write the function as long as the formulae are set straight. following is > > > my best guess > > > > > > Signal = Average of Tukey_Biweight(log(PM-CT)) > > > > > > if MM < PM, CT=MM > > > if MM > PM, CT=PM/exp(proportion) > > > > > > proportion = Average of Tukey_Biweight(log(PM/MM)) (over all pairs > > > on the chip or just the set?). proportion is set to be 0 if the > > > average is negative. > > > > > > However, one still need to decide the support of the Tukey_Biweight > > > function. Maybe that doesn't matter much. Or simply take the > > > median. I don't understand why affymetrix doesn't want to disclose > > > their algorithm completely. > > > > > > Thanks in advance for your suggestions. > > > > > > Kenny > > > > > > Kenny Ye > > > Assistant Professor > > > Department of Applied Math and Statistics > > > SUNY at Stony Brook > > > Stony Brook, New York 11794-3600 > > > Phone (631)632-9344 > > > Fax (631)632-8490 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Bioconductor mailing list > > > Bioconductor@stat.math.ethz.ch > > > http://www.stat.math.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/bioconductor > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Bioconductor mailing list > > Bioconductor@stat.math.ethz.ch > > http://www.stat.math.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/bioconductor > > >
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