edgeR choose the best model of GLM
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Eszter Ari ▴ 40
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Dear edgeR Users, I have RNS-Seq count data by genes, 4 treatment groups (each with 2 biological replicates) and two factors (E: C or H, and A: 13 or 25). And I applied the GLM model of edgeR with these designs: E, A, E+A and E*A I would like to decide which model and which variant describes my data better. 1. Am I right that the $coefficients of a "DGELRT" object are log likelihood values? 2. Does anyone have a suggestion how can I apply AIC (Akaike Information Criterion) test or Likelihood ratio (LR) test on edgeR GLM results to choose the best model? 3. Is there a possibility to plot the multiple GLM regression for a gene? (I would like plot something like this: http://www.jerrydallal.com/LHSP/pix/regpix4.gif ) Bests, Eszter -- Eszter Ari Institut für Populationsgenetik Vetmeduni Vienna Veterinärplatz 1 1210 Wien, Austria [[alternative HTML version deleted]]
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@gordon-smyth
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Dear Eszter, The problem that you've stated (which of these models best describes my data) applies to univariate data, for fitting models to a single vector of counts. For RNA-seq experiments, you are fitting glms to many data vectors. You will get different answers for different genes, so you have to think a bit differently. With edgeR, you would start by fitting the full model design <- model.matrix(~E+A+E:A) then, after some intermediate commands, use fit <- glmFit(y, design) lrt <- glmLRT(fit, coef=4) topTags(lrt) to test for which genes the interaction is significant. If the test is significant, then the E*A model is necessary and best. If not, one of the simpler models is satisfactory. You could subset to genes for which the interaction is not significant, then try design <- model.matrix(~E+A) and proceed from there. I interpolate some other answers below. > Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2013 15:15:20 +0100 > From: Ari Eszter <arieszter at="" gmail.com=""> > To: bioconductor at r-project.org > Subject: [BioC] edgeR choose the best model of GLM > > Dear edgeR Users, > > I have RNS-Seq count data by genes, 4 treatment groups (each with 2 > biological replicates) and two factors (E: C or H, and A: 13 or 25). And > I applied the GLM model of edgeR with these designs: E, A, E+A and E*A > I would like to decide which model and which variant describes my data > better. > > 1. Am I right that the $coefficients of a "DGELRT" object are log > likelihood values? No. They are coefficients from the linear model fitted, as explained in the documentation: help("glmFit"). > 2. Does anyone have a suggestion how can I apply AIC (Akaike Information > Criterion) test or Likelihood ratio (LR) test on edgeR GLM results to > choose the best model? Answered above. We have experimented with AIC, but have not found it particularly successful. > 3. Is there a possibility to plot the multiple GLM regression for a > gene? (I would like plot something like this: > http://www.jerrydallal.com/LHSP/pix/regpix4.gif ) I have no idea what this plot represents. In any case, I guess this is for one data vector. For RNA-seq data, you would have to view 20,000 of these plots, not a very productive way to go. Best wishes Gordon > Bests, > Eszter > > -- > Eszter Ari > Institut f?r Populationsgenetik > Vetmeduni Vienna > Veterin?rplatz 1 > 1210 Wien, Austria > ______________________________________________________________________ The information in this email is confidential and intend...{{dropped:5}}
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Dear Gordon, Thank you for your answers! > The problem that you've stated (which of these models best describes my > data) applies to univariate data, for fitting models to a single vector of > counts. For RNA-seq experiments, you are fitting glms to many data > vectors. You will get different answers for different genes, so you have > to think a bit differently. > I see. But if the variable A gives 100 times more differentially expressed genes (p-value < 0.05) than the variable E, and 10 times more than the variable E:A under E*A model is it possible to say that A explains my count data better? > > > to test for which genes the interaction is significant. If the test is > significant, then the E*A model is necessary and best. If not, one of the > simpler models is satisfactory. You could subset to genes for which the > interaction is not significant, then try > > >> >> 1. Am I right that the $coefficients of a "DGELRT" object are log >> likelihood values? >> > > No. They are coefficients from the linear model fitted, as explained in > the documentation: help("glmFit"). > Is there a possibility to have the log likelihood values? > > 2. Does anyone have a suggestion how can I apply AIC (Akaike Information >> Criterion) test or Likelihood ratio (LR) test on edgeR GLM results to >> choose the best model? >> > > Answered above. We have experimented with AIC, but have not found it > particularly successful. > I see. I was wondering also, because the AIC test have to be calculated for every genes, than how can I say something about the whole dataset... > > 3. Is there a possibility to plot the multiple GLM regression for a gene? >> (I would like plot something like this: http://www.jerrydallal.com/** >> LHSP/pix/regpix4.gif <http: www.jerrydallal.com="" lhsp="" pix="" regpix4.gif=""> ) >> > > I have no idea what this plot represents. In any case, I guess this is > for one data vector. For RNA-seq data, you would have to view 20,000 of > these plots, not a very productive way to go. > I would like to have a regression plot only for some genes - just for illustration. I have 2 replicates for each treatment that means 8 count values for each gene. I would like to draw a 3D regression for those 8 datapoints, while x and z axes would represent A and E variables (with 2-2 possible state only) and y would show the count number. Maybe I should calculate the regression for this plot not by edgeR but with glm.nb. Thanks a lot! Best wishes, Eszter -- Eszter Ari Institut für Populationsgenetik Vetmeduni Vienna Veterinärplatz 1 1210 Wien, Austria [[alternative HTML version deleted]]
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