Big p-value/adj p-value with quite good read count
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bharata1803 ▴ 60
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Hello,

So, I am working with RNA-seq data and voom/limma workflow. After I finished my workflow and get the list of DE genes, I tried to filter by p-value. I choose <=0.1 for my cutoff value. After that, I chekced one of gene and it isn't in my list. I noticed that it maybe because the p-value and it is. The p-value is big, almost 0.2. I tried to find the reason why p-value is big. I check the read count. The raw read count is actually quite big. Below is the readcount:

1 Cat_1_1 2097.070
2 Cat_1_2 1866.160
3 Cat_1_3 2539.440
4 Cat_1_4 2048.650
5 Cat_1_5 1628.770
6 Cat_1_7 3241.710
7 Cat_2_1 807.168
8 Cat_2_2 7171.430
9 Cat_2_3 8759.580
10 Cat_3_1 1213.360
11 Cat_3_2 339.301
12 Cat_3_3 2096.140
13 Cat_3_4 888.941
14 Cat_3_5 1381.800
15 Cat_3_6 3281.890
16 Cat_3_7 2498.580

 

Below is values after I used voom:

  row.names x
1 Cat_1_1 5.383155
2 Cat_1_2 5.202185
3 Cat_1_3 5.568586
4 Cat_1_4 5.500774
5 Cat_1_5 5.625384
6 Cat_1_7 5.878762
7 Cat_2_1 4.356846
8 Cat_2_2 7.397590
9 Cat_2_3 7.628476
10 Cat_3_1 5.568482
11 Cat_3_2 4.578878
12 Cat_3_3 6.982345
13 Cat_3_4 5.806681
14 Cat_3_5 6.466003
15 Cat_3_6 7.618232
16 Cat_3_7 7.357043

I checked the Cat_1 vs Cat_3. What is the reason the p-value is big? With that read count, I hope I can get the p-value to be significant and that gene is one of the important gene to check.

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What is your experimental design? Based on what you say you're comparing, I assume that this is a one-way layout with three groups - Cat_1, Cat_2 and Cat_3 - is that correct? Also, why are your read counts not integer values?

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Aaron Lun ★ 28k
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Well, for starters, the variance is estimated using all samples. For this gene, there are several aberrant samples; Cat_2_1 in particular, in which the count is 10-fold lower than its replicates, but also Cat_3_2 (also 10-fold lower) and Cat_3_4 to a lesser extent. This results in a large variance for this gene, which leads to a larger p-value. Moreover, the counts don't suggest that there's a strong difference between Cat_1 and Cat_3. Both groups have counts from 1000 - 3000, so that's not very strong evidence for DE.

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Thank you. The setup is I want 3-way comparison of the 3 categories. The result is not integer because I use Salmon to generate the gene read count and I don't round it. I understand your explanation. So, basically, several "bad" data cause the p-value to be insignificant.  

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Well, no, I don't think it is because of one or two "bad" observations. The Categories just don't look at all different.

Category 2 has cpm values that range from 4.36 to 7.63, completely covering the whole range of values of Category 1.

Category 3 has cpm values than range from 4.58 to 7.62, again completely covering the range of Category 1.

Category 2 and 3 look almost identical in terms of range of values.

The Categories are internally variable and not systematically different. Hence the big p-value.

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