LIMMA Differing P-Values for Treatment-Contrast Parameterization vs Group-Means Parameterization
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abadgerw • 0
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Gordon Smyth Thank you for developing such an amazing tool.

I have noticed that when I generate a model with covariates I see differences in p-values between a treatment-contrast parameterization vs group-means parameterization. The fold-changes are the same. I do not notice this with models that do not have covariates.

My code is the following for treatment-contrasts:

design<- model.matrix(~Status + Age + Sex + PMI, metadata)
fitA <- lmFit(batchregressed, design)
fitB <- eBayes(fitA, trend = FALSE, robust = TRUE)
tabA<- topTable(fitB, number = 2500, coef = 2)
coefA<- fitB$coefficients

My code is the following for group-means:

design2<- model.matrix(~0+Status + Age + Sex + PMI, metadata)
contrasts<- makeContrasts(StatusControl-StatusMS, levels=colnames(design2))
fitC <- lmFit(batchregressed, design2)
fitD <- contrasts.fit(fitC, contrasts)
fitE <- eBayes(fitD, trend = FALSE, robust = TRUE)
tabC<- topTable(fitE, number = 2500)
coefC<- fitE$coefficients

Is there anything that I am misspecifying? Would it be predicted that p-values would differ with these two model parametrization types?

Thanks in advance for your assistance.

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There's no need to ping people (me in this case) on this forum. Just adding the limma tag will ensure that someone relevant will help you.

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@gordon-smyth
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WEHI, Melbourne, Australia

If your data includes precision weights or missing values in the batchregressed object, then the p-values will differ slightly, if it doesn't then they will be identical. For an explanation of when p-values will differ, type ?contrasts.fit and see the section called Note.

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Thank you. I didn't include precision weights to my knowledge and set trend to FALSE. However, based on the documentation, missing values seem to be the culprit of the differences. Therefore, to confirm, the p-values are exact in the treatment-contrasts parameterization and approximate in the group-means parameterization in my case due to the presence of missing data?

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That's correct.

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Apologies but my only other related question is that when the model has missing values but no covariates (ie ~Status or ~0+Status), the treatment-contrasts and group-means parameterization show the same p-values. Is this to be expected?

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Yes, it is to be expected. It is explained in the help page I refered you to, which says "the results from contrasts.fit are always exact if the coefficients being compared are statistically independent. This will be true, for example, if the original fit was a oneway model without blocking and the group-means (no-intercept) parametrization was used for the design matrix."

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