Dear Bioconductor users.
I posted a question a while ago that did not get an answer. I'm sorry
to
have to nag and ask the same question again but I really need an
answer.
The question that I'm asking is how to do the paired analysis in
LIMMA?
If you don?t have the time to look at my previous post here is a
shorter
version.
I have tried to read previous posts on this matter but I found the
answers kind of vague (perhaps I missed something due to my limited
knowledge in statistics, in that case please guide me to an explaining
post and I apologize for asking the same question again).
I have affydata on 4 patients (paired) before and after treatment
(unbalanced due to different number of biopsies from each patient). I
want to fit the patients as a fixed effect. I am interested in the
effect due to treatment.
In previous posts I have seen Gordon give directions about two ways to
fit patients as a fixed effect with LIMMA.
http://files.protsuggest.org/biocond/html/8297.html
and
http://files.protsuggest.org/biocond/html/8175.html
My situation look like this:
#########################################################
#Fitting the patients as a fixed effect, I am not totally shure of my
#code, please correct me if I am wrong
eset<-rma(Data)
tmp<-pData(eset)
tmp<-cbind(tmp,Before=c(1,0,1,1,1,0,1,0,1,0,1,0,1,0))
tmp<-cbind(tmp,After=c(0,1,0,0,0,1,0,1,0,1,0,1,0,1))
tmp<-cbind(tmp,Patient=c(1,1,1,1,1,1,2,2,3,3,3,3,4,4))
pData(eset)<-tmp
design <- model.matrix(~(After - Before) + Patient,
data=as.data.frame(tmp))
fit<-lmFit(eset,design)
fitModel <- eBayes(fit)
#########################################################
#Using the block argument to ?block? patient.
eset<-rma(Data)
tmp<-pData(eset)
tmp<-cbind(tmp,Before=c(1,0,1,1,1,0,1,0,1,0,1,0,1,0))
tmp<-cbind(tmp,After=c(0,1,0,0,0,1,0,1,0,1,0,1,0,1))
pData(eset) <- tmp
design <- model.matrix(~(After - Before), data=pData(eset))
cor<-duplicateCorrelation(eset,
design,block=c(1,1,1,1,1,1,2,2,3,3,3,3,4,4))
cor$cor
# [1] 0.2739284
fit<-lmFit(eset, design, block=c(1,1,1,1,1,1,2,2,3,3,3,3,4,4))
fitcor <- eBayes(fit)
#I also try this model using the default value, cor=0.75, when using
lmFit.
eset<-rma(Data)
tmp<-pData(eset)
tmp<-cbind(tmp,Before=c(1,0,1,1,1,0,1,0,1,0,1,0,1,0))
tmp<-cbind(tmp,After=c(0,1,0,0,0,1,0,1,0,1,0,1,0,1))
pData(eset) <- tmp
design <- model.matrix(~(After - Before), data=pData(eset))
fit<-lmFit(eset, design, block=c(1,1,1,1,1,1,2,2,3,3,3,3,4,4))
fitCorDefault <- eBayes(fit)
fitCorDefault$cor
#[1] 0.75
#########################################################
So my questions are, if my code is right, which way is the right way
to
fit patients as a fixed effect since the result differ (the lod-scores
differ between the different models)? If my code is wrong, please
correct it. And last, may I be bald enough to suggest (since there
seem
to be a lot of post of how to fit fixed effect in LIMMA) that it would
be great if there were an example of how to fit fixed effects in the
LIMMA users guide?
Thank you for your time
Best regards
Johan Lindberg
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Lindberg
Sent: Monday, July 11, 2005 11:35 AM
To: bioconductor at stat.math.ethz.ch
Subject: [BioC] A question about paired data and how to set up the
designmatrix in LIMMA
Hi all.
I have tried to read previous posts on this matter but I found the
answers kind of vague (perhaps I missed something due to my limited
knowledge in statistics, in that case please guide me to an explaining
post and I apologize for asking the same question again).
I have affydata on 4 patients (paired) before and after treatment
(unbalance due to different number of biopsies from each patient). I
want to fit the patients as a fixed effect. I am interested in the
effect due to treatment.
In previous posts I have seen Gordon give directions about two ways to
fit patients as a fixed effect with LIMMA.
http://files.protsuggest.org/biocond/html/8297.html
and
http://files.protsuggest.org/biocond/html/8175.html
In the first post the t-statistic is according to Gordon suppose to be
the corresponding paired t-statistic.
But in the second mail he states ?All forms of blocking are much the
same from a mathematical point of view, whether they are technical
replicates or blocking on patient.
The direct extension of a paired t-test would actually arise from
fitting patient as a fixed effect. If you did that, limma would
compute
for you paired t-tests with moderated denominators. If you use the
'block' argument instead of using a fixed effect, I would generally
recommend that you estimate the common correction rather than take a
preset value. However I suspect that, in this case, if you use a large
correlation like 0.75 or higher the results might be very similar to
using a fixed patient effect.?
My situation look like this:
#########################################################
#Fitting the patients as a fixed effect, I am not totally shure of my
code, please correct me if I am #wrong
eset<-rma(Data)
tmp<-pData(eset)
tmp<-cbind(tmp,Before=c(1,0,1,1,1,0,1,0,1,0,1,0,1,0))
tmp<-cbind(tmp,After=c(0,1,0,0,0,1,0,1,0,1,0,1,0,1))
tmp<-cbind(tmp,Patient=c(1,1,1,1,1,1,2,2,3,3,3,3,4,4))
pData(eset)<-tmp
design <- model.matrix(~(After - Before) + Patient,
data=as.data.frame(tmp))
fit<-lmFit(eset,design)
fitModel <- eBayes(fit)
#########################################################
#Using the block argument to ?block? patient.
eset<-rma(Data)
tmp<-pData(eset)
tmp<-cbind(tmp,Before=c(1,0,1,1,1,0,1,0,1,0,1,0,1,0))
tmp<-cbind(tmp,After=c(0,1,0,0,0,1,0,1,0,1,0,1,0,1))
pData(eset) <- tmp
design <- model.matrix(~(After - Before), data=pData(eset))
cor<-duplicateCorrelation(eset,
design,block=c(1,1,1,1,1,1,2,2,3,3,3,3,4,4))
cor$cor
# [1] 0.2739284
fit<-lmFit(eset, design, block=c(1,1,1,1,1,1,2,2,3,3,3,3,4,4))
fitcor <- eBayes(fit)
# I also try this model using the default value, cor=0.75, when using
lmFit.
eset<-rma(Data)
tmp<-pData(eset)
tmp<-cbind(tmp,Before=c(1,0,1,1,1,0,1,0,1,0,1,0,1,0))
tmp<-cbind(tmp,After=c(0,1,0,0,0,1,0,1,0,1,0,1,0,1))
pData(eset) <- tmp
design <- model.matrix(~(After - Before), data=pData(eset))
fit<-lmFit(eset, design, block=c(1,1,1,1,1,1,2,2,3,3,3,3,4,4))
fitCorDefault <- eBayes(fit)
fitCorDefault$cor
[1] 0.75
#########################################################
First of all, is my code right? I am kind of sceptic since Gordon
states
that ?if you use a large correlation like 0.75 or higher the results
might be very similar to using a fixed patient effect?. When I plot
the
B-scores of both models they differ somewhat in the ranking and in the
number of genes with B-score >0. They look kind of the same but the
B-scores is higher when I use the block argument to ?block? patient
using the default correlation.
colnames(fitModel$lods)
#[1] "(Intercept)" "After" "Patient"
length(which(fitModel$lods[,2] > 0))
#[1] 0
fitcor$cor
#[1] 0.2739284
colnames(fitcor$lods)
#[1] "(Intercept)" "After"
length(which(fitcor$lods[,2] > 0))
#[1] 4
fitCorDefault$cor
#[1] 0.75
colnames(fitCorDefault$lods)
#[1] "(Intercept)" "After"
length(which(fitCorDefault$lods[,2] > 0))
#[1] 109
#################
#To get a feeling of similarity between the ranking of the genes
cor(fitcor$lods[,2], fitCorDefault$lods[,2],
use="pairwise.complete.obs")
[1] 0.9781474
cor(fitcor$lods[,2], fitModel$lods[,2], use="pairwise.complete.obs")
[1] 0.9753385
cor(fitCorDefault$lods[,2], fitModel$lods[,2],
use="pairwise.complete.obs")
[1] 0.9610673
################
So my questions are, if my code is right, which way is the right way
to
fit patients as a fixed effect since the result differ?
If my code is wrong, please guide me of how to get it right.
Thank you for your time
Best regards
Johan Lindberg
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