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@andrebolerbarros-16788
Last seen 7 hours ago
Portugal

Hi everyone,

So I ran the same transcriptomic data in the end of last month and today and, somehow, the differential gene expression results are different. I've checked the R version, the package versions and everything matches. The only thing I changed in my PC was an update of the Java version. Is this an expectable phenomenon? Or should the problem be coming from a different version?

Cheers,

André

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I just did a more thorough analysis on the results and I found the following:

  • There are differences in p-values and log2FC in the results obtained from DEG analysis from one DESeq model ran in March and the same model ran in April. This happens with the same R, Bioc and DESeq2 versions installed;

  • However, when the DEG analysis from the March Model is ran now, the results now match.

  • Looking into the 2 models, the counts normalized and raw, as well as SizeFactors, are the same. However, the values for dispersion are different; by subtracting the dispersion of the April Model from the March one, we get the following results (statistics summary):

  Min.    1st Qu.     Median       Mean    3rd Qu.       Max. 
  -6.357e-07  0.000e+00  2.000e-13 -1.170e-11  2.100e-12  4.235e-08
  

I expect these differences are responsible for the incongruence of the results. Is there any reason for this to happen?

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I'd be surprised if you really got even numerical differences from the same code base. But at this point, if you say that your March results must be tied to your March sessionInfo(), then I don't have any more ideas.

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@mikelove
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United States

Java version wouldn't change the results. Can you reproduce different results with identical R, Bioc and DESeq2 versions? Likely there was a change in DESeq2 version that may have gone un-noted.

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Hi Michael,

I'm sending you the SessionInfo of both iterations, I didn't see anything different.

March SessionInfo():

R version 3.5.3 (2019-03-11)
Platform: x86_64-w64-mingw32/x64 (64-bit)
Running under: Windows 7 x64 (build 7601) Service Pack 1

attached base packages:
[1] parallel  stats4    stats     graphics  grDevices utils    
[7] datasets  methods   base     

other attached packages:
 [1] gridExtra_2.3               vsn_3.50.0                 
 [3] stringr_1.4.0               xlsx_0.6.1                 
 [5] genefilter_1.64.0           ggplot2_3.2.1              
 [7] org.Mm.eg.db_3.7.0          AnnotationDbi_1.44.0       
 [9] RColorBrewer_1.1-2          pheatmap_1.0.12            
[11] DESeq2_1.22.2               SummarizedExperiment_1.12.0
[13] DelayedArray_0.8.0          BiocParallel_1.16.6        
[15] matrixStats_0.54.0          Biobase_2.42.0             
[17] GenomicRanges_1.34.0        GenomeInfoDb_1.18.2        
[19] IRanges_2.16.0              S4Vectors_0.20.1           
[21] BiocGenerics_0.28.0

April SessionInfo():

R version 3.5.3 (2019-03-11)
Platform: x86_64-w64-mingw32/x64 (64-bit)
Running under: Windows 7 x64 (build 7601) Service Pack 1

attached base packages:
[1] parallel  stats4    stats     graphics  grDevices utils    
[7] datasets  methods   base     

other attached packages:
 [1] gridExtra_2.3               vsn_3.50.0                 
 [3] stringr_1.4.0               xlsx_0.6.1                 
 [5] genefilter_1.64.0           ggplot2_3.2.1              
 [7] org.Mm.eg.db_3.7.0          AnnotationDbi_1.44.0       
 [9] RColorBrewer_1.1-2          pheatmap_1.0.12            
[11] DESeq2_1.22.2               SummarizedExperiment_1.12.0
[13] DelayedArray_0.8.0          BiocParallel_1.16.6        
[15] matrixStats_0.54.0          Biobase_2.42.0             
[17] GenomicRanges_1.34.0        GenomeInfoDb_1.18.2        
[19] IRanges_2.16.0              S4Vectors_0.20.1           
[21] BiocGenerics_0.28.0
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Just an additional comment:

March results are different from April Results and both are different from April's DEG's analysis ran on March DESeq Model.

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Please define 'different' - different in which way(s)?

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I get differences in p-values and log2FC, both pre and after ashr-shrinkage

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I wonder if you have some cached objects?

DESeq2 uses R and C++ for computation. When p-values change it's going to be based upon changes in DESeq2 version.

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Regarding the "loaded via a namespace (and not attached)" packages, that I didn't add, there are indeed some differences. April's run has this packages, that are not present in the March one:

ashr_2.2-32
codetools_0.2-16
doParallel_1.0.14
foreach_1.4.4
iterators_1.0.10
MASS_7.3-51.3
mixsqp_0.1-97
pscl_1.5.2
SQUAREM_2017.10-1
truncnorm_1.0-8

Do you think this may have an effect?

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The ashr changes would change the ashr based results only. I really don't think the others would affect the non-ashr DESeq2 results.

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